Why Shakespeare Could Never Have Been French

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    Tom Scott

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    Shakespeare sounds a certain way. Why? And why could it only work in English? • Written with Gretchen McCulloch of Lingthusiasm! Her podcast has an episode about how translators approach texts: lingthusiasm.com/post/632086691477323776/lingthusiasm-episode-49-how-translators-approach
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Tom Scott
Tom Scott

Apologies to French folks; this was tough!

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the fird souls
the fird souls

No worries

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CafeTerreur
CafeTerreur

23 YO french who grew up with an english mother : after rewatching the part where you try to sound french, well to me, you sound like an old french person delivering a political discours or something. Like Charles de gaulle or even Macron.

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MLM3
MLM3

Don't worry, it was still very interesting as someone who is interested in how translations work and to be honest, i didn't even know my language worked like that, i'll try to notice it next time i talk, might also help having a less french accent next time i speak english

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Glork C.
Glork C.

We appreciate you didnt try to make comedy on our language. Respect !

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Scullgaming 962
Scullgaming 962

@DJ Pigloon its almost like the video was unlisted or something!

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Shakespeare with Sarah
Shakespeare with Sarah

This is a brilliant explanation!

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Jarvis Sharp
Jarvis Sharp

In short : French = lead singer English = drums

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Ashfaaq
Ashfaaq

This was uploaded a month ago and I watched it. but why does it feel like I've watched this last year?

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Julien Chiasson
Julien Chiasson

if you wanna sound more French it's easy: Don't speak in English. French people can't speak English at all

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TheKarlitotube
TheKarlitotube

Great video. also, I heard once that English language is better suited for music. As a French, I love rock and I am amazed how very little French language rock song can be as enthusiastic as some classic English rock song (please let's not make it a debate of French rock creativity vs English rock creativity, but rather how English sounds better for music than French (or German, Spanish....))

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MiloAgent8
MiloAgent8

i want that, i WanT that, and I WANT THAT!

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underJirou
underJirou

michale james

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Yorosero
Yorosero

I remember not being taught any of this at school. I had to discover it myself through my interest in poetry. In high school (Scotland) they just slapped a poem in front of us to copy out and "analyse" without any reference to the traditional tools of analysis like form and metre. We were just asked to extract the meaning and maybe comment on a bit of alliteration. No wonder poetry has largely declined the past few decades in the West.

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Maria Minghi
Maria Minghi

you look like mr darcy

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Last Quarter
Last Quarter

That was actually very interesting. As a French person, thank you for explaining how rhythm works in Shakespeare's plays. It's actually hard to get for non-natives.

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T M
T M

You have so much miscellaneous knowledge

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Remyria
Remyria

it's really funny to see linguistic video that talk about french when you speak french

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Conor Kelly
Conor Kelly

You really shouldn't a surprise that swans are agressive

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Acf6
Acf6

Watched this because I'm French, it was very interesting

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Alejandro Fernández
Alejandro Fernández

Dont't worry about those french offended people. They tried to be angry but, as usual, they have already surrendered.

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L'ami Jojo
L'ami Jojo

We now have the proof that swans are French.

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Eléonore
Eléonore

My college English teacher once told me my English was excellent, if not for stressing errors, and to this day, I know that despite my best efforts I'll never be able to fully fool English people into thinking i'm one of them because I sometimes stress the wrong syllable ^^ And i've never been able to read aloud English poetry the right way because of that too : the way we write and read poetry is so different and it's so difficult to change it up !

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N0me
N0me

explaining the alexandrine while using it was my favorite part

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Ab Fab
Ab Fab

"Stupid", stressed in french and in english the same way

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banbee100
banbee100

People says the tones of some Asian languages are difficult to learn. English stress is way more difficult in my opinion.

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Jihwan Lee
Jihwan Lee

Your explanations about limerick and iambic pentameter were better and easier to understand than those from my Eng Lit professor. What a life saviour!

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Guilherme
Guilherme

That’s really interesting. Recently I read Midsummer Night Dream in Portuguese and I think I missed something of it just because of the translation. It will be fun to read it again in the original language to see how much different they are.

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Cédric Gariépy
Cédric Gariépy

Spoke about Alexandrin (there is no "e", it's his noun and a bad translation), but forgot about Molière. Spoke of emphases (Not stress, that's a different thing) but forgot only some Parisians do that, not even the rest of France, or French Canadians (Quebec), or North Africans, or Haitian, ect... Making researches on a language isn't quite enough to pretend knowing how it is really spoken by its native people. No hate though, still love your content

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Cédric Gariépy
Cédric Gariépy

Native French people reading the title: (Need to speak french to read out correctly) "ou-ail Chaiquespire coulde naiveur ave bine frainch" -the bilingual canadian kid

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Lucile Drs
Lucile Drs

😂 bien joué

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Tereza Herrmannová
Tereza Herrmannová

This is brilliant, I'll definitely use this with my student.

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Tereza Herrmannová
Tereza Herrmannová

@Cédric Gariépy Oh that's interesting, thank you for sharing. I know next to nothing wnout French. But I'm teaching English and would use this as a listening task to enrich vocabulary and learn the basics about Shakespeare.

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Cédric Gariépy
Cédric Gariépy

Please don't. Actually only Parisians speak French in this way. Even though they are the stereotype of the French language, anywhere else in France, in French part of Canada (Quebec), North Africa, Haiti, etc, French is spoken way differently. You can refer to this if you want, but as a Canadian who also studied in France, I can only disagree.

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NIGGACHU
NIGGACHU

damn, here I was thinking only we would bash ourselves for our inferior lexicon, but this is different

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essence of corroding time
essence of corroding time

But almost, ALMOST, most poets in the Renaissance, and Shakespeare's contemporaries, wrote in iambic pentameter (like Sydney and Marlowe). Why is this feature restricted to the spear shaker (I mean Shakespeare) in this video?

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Superibis
Superibis

Oh boy, so many good memories of my English literature and phonetic class xD

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Noel Dev
Noel Dev

But what if a frenchman learns english?

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Jonathan Hanon
Jonathan Hanon

4:08 I love how your description of Alexandrine was... Alexandrine.

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Mister Guyman
Mister Guyman

English 1 - French 0

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Cédric Gariépy
Cédric Gariépy

then come Molière x)

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Leonie
Leonie

My roommate showed me your channel a few weeks ago, since then I've watched every video uploaded, all of the past ones that I was interested in and I loved this video in particular (and the one about expletive infixation). As a translator I can confirm the language problems (not just in poetry) and as a linguist: that's what I learned and am still learning in university! Great work - love your channel

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Roger Worsley
Roger Worsley

I suppose this also puts paid to the theory about Shakespeare being italian!

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Golden Starlight
Golden Starlight

yesss! i used kind of the same logic to make an english friend why the divine comedy only works in italian. it's so cool to learn not only about a language but also how that language is built. amazing

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captaingrovyle
captaingrovyle

interesting video probably the same goes for japanese which has zero lexical stress

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Clever The Loner
Clever The Loner

Can you teach me public speaking !?

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Jon Donnelly
Jon Donnelly

"You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon."

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Butty Object
Butty Object

Très intéressant.

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Chris Brass
Chris Brass

Here cause saw a recommendation of you removing your fingertips 12 years later

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CabanaCaseda
CabanaCaseda

Ngl got nervous when the swans got closer to him

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Madelaine Petrin
Madelaine Petrin

I studied English poetry and gosh I couldn't get the rhythm at all. I didn't do very well, however French poetry was a piece of cake. I never understood the "stress" and counting the meters or whatever. I'm bad at limericks too although I love them.

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Buster Entertainment
Buster Entertainment

WHAT!!??? WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME? I'VE BEEN READING WRONG THE WHOLE TIME!!!!!!!

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JB Maitre
JB Maitre

Quelle PERTE de temps Tu M'AS fait faire...

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clear
clear

My head hurts.

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Karan Khurana
Karan Khurana

Plot Twist: It was Green Screen All Along

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Magik Leo
Magik Leo

J'ai rien compris.

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Absolutely Amel
Absolutely Amel

It's 5 am and I really need to know why Shakespeare could never have been French

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Dave A
Dave A

You have never known terror from a bird until you've come across a Canadian Hissing Cobra Death Chicken AKA Canadian Goose. Fun Fact, if you say "cross cut saw" quickly with a Quebecois accent it sounds like a French phrase...well, enough to get the Frenchmen at work to look at you and go "What the f... is wrong with you"

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Cynthia Ibrahim
Cynthia Ibrahim

Him talking about stress in words: Me, an Arab: ّ

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hooligan bubsy
hooligan bubsy

Are they even sure who shakespeare was yet or his entire identity up in the air still?

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Orchids Are pretty
Orchids Are pretty

Well we do have our own French Shakespeare, Molière! It was taught in school

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Winchester Chua
Winchester Chua

Why aren't you wearing a mask?

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Laurène
Laurène

me watching this video cause i'm french and studying Shakespeare in English literature class

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Robin Hartland
Robin Hartland

What a script.

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Michel Mallet
Michel Mallet

Very often, French people do not understand what is a stress in a word. Since the stress is at the end of the words, they believe that there are no stresses in French, and hardly understand what is going on. The answer is to ask : "How do you say 'attention !' (i.e. Beware, be careful, mind you...) in German ?... They will answer : achTUNG !...But a German would say : ACHTung. This is the way to explain it to a Frenchman. Michel (a Frenchman)

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Vivaldi
Vivaldi

C'est triste, je ne pourrai jamais être comme Shakespeare. C'est dommage...

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Gaspard
Gaspard

except that some french people know how the stress works. You didn't know that some people are bilingual?

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Gojira Beaver
Gojira Beaver

Iambic pentameter *GCSE English flashbacks*

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Seal Boy
Seal Boy

My theory on the reason the swans didn’t attack him is that they REALLY like Shakespeare for some reason.

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Adam Uppsala
Adam Uppsala

Wrong. Shakespeare could have been French. Maybe you meant speaking French only? As someone perfectly bilingual in both French and English, I can reassure you that there are some things in each language that make it unique. So, the 'uniqueness' works for both languages. Some French poetry cannot be translated into English and some things are totally incomprehensible or unimaginable for English speakers. Guillaume Apollinaire is a good example of taking poetry to the next level where English is too limited.

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Narcisse de Thespies
Narcisse de Thespies

Now, i know why i'm so bad in English ...Merci :)

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Carth Karas
Carth Karas

Ah France, this wonderful country that can have universities which rank number one in mathematics, physics, while the overall student population is in the last ranks of the OECD. The most educated and efficient elites and the least educated population. I'm so shocked that no French speakers in the comments realize that this guy is giving wrong information about their own language. Give the example of alexandrines to show that French only emphasizes the last syllable ... It's actually not that common and no you won't sound more French by doing that. Don't do that. It's actually more common to put it on a conjonction, determinant, etc., but there are no rules and then no exceptions. A concession, you more often stress the last syllable in Quebec French. The stress is more rigid in German and English, a little bit less in Dutch.

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Vaf
Vaf

This is why your pop songs sell better than ours. Lexical stress and a large variety of vowels, diphtongs even triphtongs makes the English language way more musical and overall pleasing to the ear. French, as Voltaire said, is the language of conversation.

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thatrantingasian
thatrantingasian

as an english speaking person that learnt french as a fourth language,,, yes.

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Lower Lobster
Lower Lobster

Well that is a relief.

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Ex4mp1e
Ex4mp1e

Amazing, I could find these in the German language as well! lexical stress: "Etwas umfahren" - depending on "UMfahren" or "umFAHREN" you either hit an obstacle, or drive around it. prosodic stress: "Ich will das." (All three versions work as in the English example) Is this something special, or is it rather special the French can't do it?

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Liliap0p
Liliap0p

Ayy I go to school in Stratford :D

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Jemma Tosh
Jemma Tosh

"surprisingly aggressive swans" knowing how bad the average Swan is I kinda wanna know what these ones did? Instead of the normal "attempting to murder you" did these ones go for "framing you for murder"?

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Jeremy Ashford
Jeremy Ashford

Global warming getting to you, Tom?

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Gary
Gary

I'm French and I never noticed we put the emphasis on the last syllable of a sentence. We have a french word for it (emphase), and the only times I used it was is English class.

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Edgar Lee
Edgar Lee

“Poetry is what gets lost in translation.” ― Robert Frost

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TheRandomIndividual
TheRandomIndividual

I miss read the thumbnail...

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Phil Potter
Phil Potter

Maybe you were looking for *_Guilliame Chequespierre._*

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ParadoxNerdHLM
ParadoxNerdHLM

"I'm being pestered by some surprisingly aggressive swans" Apparently they can break a man's arm

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Kels D
Kels D

Prosodic stress is French is actually an interesting topic because it’s not used nearly to the same degree as in English. The French often add things to the sentence to emphasis a particular word. Je sais ça. (I know that) Moi, je sais ça. (*I* know that.) Je sais bien ça. (I *know* that.)

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Biwenger DZA MARCA
Biwenger DZA MARCA

Shakespeare Arabic.

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Michael-Elliott Jansen
Michael-Elliott Jansen

“stress isn’t something you generally need to consider too much while writing.” youd be surprised

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Adam Filinovich
Adam Filinovich

Why is Nantucket rude?

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Phil Potter
Phil Potter

Ask the people who live there, I don't know.

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Vitali
Vitali

I've always heard people say that French (well, French from France at least) is very flat. And that's very true. When I try to explain something in English (or think about it in my head), it's much easier to convey what I want to say, because of all the emphases.

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Sieur Michel Lui-même
Sieur Michel Lui-même

We will invade you one more time, with baguettes and frogs for army, only because this video exists. I must had that we frenchies got Victor Hugo. Period.

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Ravenclaw Head Girl
Ravenclaw Head Girl

This was great! Also the swans and Canadian geese in the back are great. :)

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Jamille jeez
Jamille jeez

Is this why Japanese dub will always be better than English dub

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Haye op Reis
Haye op Reis

Viewers don't care about jump cuts.

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Alice Arnaud
Alice Arnaud

Prochaine vidéo: Pourquoi Voltaire n'aurait jamais pu être anglais

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Jean - ዮሐንስ
Jean - ዮሐንስ

Ah la perfide Albion 🙋‍♂️

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Matthis Dupré
Matthis Dupré

Very interesting !!! I'm French so I don't Get easily the nuances of stressing... its not obvious for me but its very interesting to see the uniqueness of each languages and who it's used in poetry !!

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tiber64
tiber64

No matter what the will to do a translation The point is that it will always rhymes with treason Ps : thanks from France.... to google translate

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Robert Hilden
Robert Hilden

@2:15 how about Oregon💛

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rogermwilcox
rogermwilcox

There's one more crucial difference when speaking French: Each sentence must end with "haw haw haw HAWWWW!"

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Justin Case
Justin Case

Very good, but this should be called: "why Shakespeare in French could never sound like Shakespeare... to an Anglophone." Because to us French people, a good translation can work. There are more words and syllables in French, but as you say we can stress the last syllable of a group of words. All the other syllables are said where you would say your non stressed syllables in the iambic pentametre. So: "If MUsic BE the FOOD of LOVE, play ON", in French will be: "si la muSIQUE est la nourriTURE de l'aMOUR, aLORS jouez enCORE." Not Shakespearian to you, but Shakespearian enough to us! :)

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Tony Souter
Tony Souter

The rhythmic quality of English is also why plain and simple works so well. Whereas in most other languages, they teach kids to write long, florid sentences to show intelligence.

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Saul Nine
Saul Nine

Edward de Vere wrote the works of Shakespeare.

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Kerry Russell
Kerry Russell

Nice single camera long take.

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Paul
Paul

Excellent. I'm French and fully fluent in English, although I will always miss this kind of nuances. You can translate Shakespeare the best you can, something will always be lost from the original material. I have the feeling this is the same with Tolkien, I have always felt the style was very heavy, but I guessed the blame was on the translation. No wonder why we, French, nickname English "Shakespeare's tongue". If any of you are interested in plays that illustrate the alexandrine form in French, I would recommend the works of Racine and Corneille, and of course Molière, even though some of his plays are not in this form. And on the poetry side, Baudelaire and Hugo.

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Paul SeoigheMcGee
Paul SeoigheMcGee

Ofc Will was english - but his ancestors , norman french conquisitadores , did - and the the modern language is built on this lexical infusion .

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Mick Logan
Mick Logan

Can’t believe the mighty Tom Scott was surprised that swans could be territorial and aggressive.

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Caiga Records
Caiga Records

I think there's also some pitch shifting involved in our french accent - at the end of a sentence like you demonstrated.

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Faouzi Mounir Draidi
Faouzi Mounir Draidi

Im french and i feel very attacked

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Wonderful Blegh
Wonderful Blegh

Confirmed Shakespeare hates France

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ToutCQJM
ToutCQJM

Nothing is as good as it is in its original language.

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