Why 18th-Century Firefighters Let Some Buildings Burn

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    Tom Scott

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    In the 18th century, firefighters weren't always meant to fight fires. If your building didn't have a fire mark, they might just let it burn. The reason: fire insurance, and fire insurance companies. [CORRECTION: the plaques on the wall at 1:10 are parish boundary markers, not fire marks! The facts and words in the video are true, but those markers were misidentified in the sources I used. Apologies.]
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    SOURCES:
    www.museumoflondon.org.uk/discover/how-great-fire-london-created-insurance
    www.gresham.ac.uk/lecture/transcript/print/protecting-london-the-phoenix-rebuilding-london-after-the-great-fire-and-the/
    researchonline.rca.ac.uk/4481/1/Miranda%20Clow_thesis_1%20of%202_Text.pdf
    www.london-fire.gov.uk/museum/history-and-stories/
    "No pay, no spray": www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39516346
    "It's not reasonable": www.ctvnews.ca/canada/it-s-not-reasonable-alta-woman-faces-28-000-bill-from-private-fire-department-1.3566291
    Additional stories:
    abcnews.go.com/Business/fire-department-bills-basic-services-horrify-residents-insurance/story?id=9736696
    www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/justin-purcell-fire_n_4242734
    The Great Fire of London painting via the Museum of London: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Great_Fire_London.jpg
    Images licensed under Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/
    Fire Mark, 39 Church Trees by Alan Murray-Rust, www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5281610
    Fire mark of the Hand in Hand Fire & Life Insurance Society on a house in Loose by Marathon, www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5423230
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Tom Scott
Tom Scott

This video has a correction! The plaques on the wall at 1:10 are parish boundary markers, not fire marks. The words and story in the video are still true, but those markers were misidentified in the sources I used. You can find fire marks elsewhere in London, the UK, and the world. Apologies!

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Ran Ro
Ran Ro

Why is the traffic light blue

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Jun Ian
Jun Ian

thanks!

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Matthew Seymour
Matthew Seymour

Making mistakes....... And you explicitly said we couldn't trust you.

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Benji Smith
Benji Smith

You are forgiven

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Suman S
Suman S

@sumreen Sultana Woah! Which city, my dude?

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Kitty Craft0
Kitty Craft0

are you sure that the road was clsoed tho

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Drllp
Drllp

Wait a second the insurance companies only insured the building so if you were trapped inside they ain’t saving you...

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Richard Christie
Richard Christie

An abject and apt little lesson on what neoliberal capitalism delivers.

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Austin Wertz
Austin Wertz

100 IQ Move:(assuming you live in 17th century London) Steal every kind of mark and drill them to your door frame so that no matter what department shows up they have to help.

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Winter’s Ghost
Winter’s Ghost

I’ve seemed to have noticed different levels of intelligence. The highest level is to proactively see and prevent problems before they occur. The middle level is to see a problem after it occurs and try to prevent future problems. The lowest level is to not see a problem that repeatedly occurs.

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Spaghetti Smoothie
Spaghetti Smoothie

2:31 Birb

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Darren Burgess
Darren Burgess

Capitalism vs Socialism

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Kostany
Kostany

I came here from your drum drop from 2009. Will be one of my main channels now I guess, especially with this knowledge

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Shaunak Gokhale
Shaunak Gokhale

I thought the answer would be something scientific, like because it stops the fire spreading, but turns out no.. just capitalism 😂

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Lucifer, CEO of Hell
Lucifer, CEO of Hell

AFAB. All firefighters are bastards!

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K1r5ch1
K1r5ch1

In Germany manny anal Villages don't have the money for a fire Department so they have something call the Volunteer firefighter and most yung people are in it cause you have party's and are well respected

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miles davis playing guitar
miles davis playing guitar

But government bad bro 😭😭

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Enoxitus
Enoxitus

*several groups of firefighters rush to the scene* every single one of them: *checks fire mark* "Wrong fire mark. Looks like a family of 7 including children and 2 dogs are going to die. What a tragedy. Anyways..."

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RT Garbage
RT Garbage

This may seem insane, but Americans still have to pay a bill for using an ambulance. In some cases it’s cheaper (though certainly not safer) to just rush the injured or sick to the hospital in a normal vehicle.

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Sam Erens
Sam Erens

Imagine how much it would suck if you paid for a fire mark, only to have it obscured by flames and/or debris during an actual fire.

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Autumn Rain
Autumn Rain

dude hahaa stoppp you're going to give the united states bad ideas

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od skrajności w skrajność
od skrajności w skrajność

capitalism be like:

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Riley Carpenter
Riley Carpenter

Content

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ccityplanner12 :
ccityplanner12 :

I wonder if there were more expensive insurance companies that would put out neighbouring houses to stop the fire spreading to yours & cheaper insurance companies that would only come if your house specifically was on fire.

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Josh Derak
Josh Derak

Reminds me of health insurance.

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Super Sophisticated
Super Sophisticated

The answers for everything bad is always capitalism

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Rhubartu the Saiyan
Rhubartu the Saiyan

They still do.. i watched a house a couple streets over go from almost fully intact with some smoke coming out, to completely burned down with nothing left but some half burnt lumber and a couple mattresses. The firefighters were there the entire time, but they were helping the house burn down by creating holes in the roof and it wasn't until the house was almost fully burned down did they start using water on it..

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James Charles
James Charles

horrible historieeeeeeeeees

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181cs033 Ananthu
181cs033 Ananthu

2:55

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1973Washu
1973Washu

The country town I used to live in had a fire brigade of volunteers and an engine paid for by raffles.

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Falbere!
Falbere!

firefighters: finally we put out the fire. inspector: wait, there is no mark on that house. firefighters: welp. *lights torches*

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Jalapeno Serrano
Jalapeno Serrano

Encyclopedias: bore me to death Shakespeare: shake my spear

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RRP
RRP

I heard the monument is not where the fire started but if was laid on its side from that point the top would mark pudding lane where the fire is believed to have started

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HauntedShadowsLegacy
HauntedShadowsLegacy

2:25 "It took death and destruction to move things forward." Sadly, it still takes death and destruction to move things forward. And the daily, hum drum death isn't enough, either. Not unless we're talking about progress in highly-regulated industries like nuclear energy. After thousands of cyclist and pedestrian deaths per year, American streets look just about the same as they did a decade ago. But because those deaths are an every day thing, no one feels compelled. It's not until politicians see the numbers for themselves or have someone close to them personally affected by tragedy that things even make it to the 'bill' phase of lawmaking. And even then, you have lobbyists. Corporate lobbyists don't care about lives; they care about policies that might affect their bottom dollar. That's why the general public needs to be more aware of local lawmaking. Sucks that the way American cities are structured discourages such involvement. The mentality just isn't there. It takes thousands of people to combat a handful of company word-jockeys to even stand a chance, but the current societal fabric (funded by those same companies, mind you) keeps people ill-informed. Status quo is, by far, the most serious underlying cause of most deaths worldwide (but especially in America).

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Limerence
Limerence

I went to Austria. We drove about a lot and there was a lot of fire brigades. Probably cuz it was in the mountains, forest fires would be common and roads were narrow, windy and they were something you could rely for speedy travel.

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Limerence
Limerence

Haha, I already knew this one. Thanks Horrible History.

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Mariano Solis
Mariano Solis

In argentina a cuple decades ago there was a major economic scandanls involving some banks. The directors plane misteriusly crash. And the banks office cach fire (with all the registers in it). The firefighters only make shure that the fire whoden spread.

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broe5010 broe5010
broe5010 broe5010

2:27, The only mistake Tom has ever made.

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Marcus Jay
Marcus Jay

Another decade of Tory rule and we’ll have this system back.

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king oli
king oli

Did Cicero not make a lot of money by having slave fire fighters and buying burning buildings before this.

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Carolin a
Carolin a

capitalism ❤

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Johnny Carcinogen
Johnny Carcinogen

In this video, Tom says that human lives are worth more than property. And implies they are worth more than profits. These 3 minutes and 14 seconds indicate that Tom is more qualified for national office than the majority of politicians in London and Washington. At least in 2020 & 2021.

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Johnny Carcinogen
Johnny Carcinogen

2:04 Capitalism tends towards monopoly? Weird. Who knew?

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Pierre Graham
Pierre Graham

Hi Tom Scott, thank you for the video. Very informative (as usual). How do you read your lines? I wonder: do you memorize the script just like an actor or there is a teleprompter behind the camera?

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K J
K J

Sure fire office HHAHAHAHHAHAAA

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MrDogen
MrDogen

*Kids screaming for help* "Sorry kid, daddy didn't pay the bill"

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John Private
John Private

Thank you Scott for your videos, I am a big fan.

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John Private
John Private

Here in our community in USA up until about 20 years ago it was a private for pay fire service. You could pay a annual substitution and there would be no charge for a fire. We would get a decal that went on mail box to identify us as subscribers. If you did not subscribe they would bill you for the service and it was very expensive. Insurance polices to this day in US have a provision to pay for this with rather low limits. Now it is still private but we all are required to pay subscription include with our county property tax. This is not that small of a community with about 30,000 homes.

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Ein Zuschauer
Ein Zuschauer

Capitalism working perfectly fine

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Redcharcoalaz
Redcharcoalaz

The tall, thin metal pole that comes into view at around 0:32, I walked into by complete accident (I think I might have even literally be facing it) and the noise echoed hugely because of the surroundings being quite large buildings. The street was busy and everyone looked.

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Bertrand D
Bertrand D

I think having firefighters for free is a bad idea and we should have MARKET FORCES determine if people should live or die in a fire, just like we do with everything else.

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TheHellKiwi
TheHellKiwi

Here in Chile all firefighters are volunteers, they fight fire on their spare time, which means they also need a regular job and croudfund themselves.

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Holly
Holly

btw do people tell you enough that your one of the absolut best youtubers ?

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Chess
Chess

And that kids is why privatisation is immoral.

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Reason
Reason

I'd rather pay private firefighters than to be taxed. During my lifetime my house will most likely never catch fire whereas I'm taxed 24/7

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Mr. Hat
Mr. Hat

@Reason oh really? Which kings may I ask?

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Reason
Reason

@Mr. Hat Funny. Kings used to say about that when it comes to lords and monarchs

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Mr. Hat
Mr. Hat

@Reason taxation is how civilization is purchased, if you don't want that, then you're free to live alone in the jungles.

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Chess
Chess

@Reason It's part of life, get with the times.

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Reason
Reason

@Chess being taxed should be a wake up call

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Misteur
Misteur

Ancaps destroyed

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Kosaku Kawajiri
Kosaku Kawajiri

I live in Tennessee. There are circumstances around that fire in 2010 that weren't published in most articles. There had been a fire at that home previously and the authorities were convinced that the owners were attempting to burn it down themselves for the insurance money. They were charged with paying the 75 dollar fee for abusing the services of the tax payer funded fire fighting services. Then just three weeks later the house caught fire again. They had not paid their previous court fee for the previous occasion, so they let the house burn. I'd call it karma.

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A K
A K

I would love to see a video describing the healthcare crisis in the U.S., explaining the high cost of an ambulance.

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MR2
MR2

All the way back to Ancient Rome can you trace the origins of Private firefighters. It worked a bit more like a Mafia: They would go to the burning building, ask the most exorbitant price they could and only put out the fire to save the property if the owner accepted to pay that high price. If not, they would watch the building burn. Good thing it's not like that anymore.

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Dalewyn
Dalewyn

I kept reading this video's title as "Why Firefighters Let Some 18th Century Buildings Burn" for literally weeks. I must be going blind.

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TsulFi
TsulFi

so do i act surprised or point out my disappointment in that of course the USA dropped the ball with having private firefighters 🤦‍♂️? What is next? private police?

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OldManShinji
OldManShinji

cuz it was lit

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Jhawk2tall
Jhawk2tall

I am curious if we can do better with the privatize fire service. I know here in America pensions are becoming a major problem. Cities are just promising too much

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Sprechchor
Sprechchor

Now we know why sea park can have fire

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Michael
Michael

cyberpunk 1877

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Nick Medby
Nick Medby

This reminds me of the police in gangs of New York.

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k hanna
k hanna

The Monument is my FAVOURITE landmark in London.

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Kilroy was Here
Kilroy was Here

Because you can only throw so many buckets of water on something before you just give up and watch the show

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Paul S Rohrbaugh
Paul S Rohrbaugh

The difficult truth is that until VERY recently, property WAS valued more than lives - at least by society as a whole. Yes, you might care more about your family than your property, but someone else's family? People died all the time from disease, war, and other things.

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Robert Plaster
Robert Plaster

Monument isn't AT the site of the fire's outbreak; rather its height is such that were it laid on its side, the tip would reach the point of origin of the fire. Its 202 feet (62m) tall, and 202 feet west of the spot in Pudding Lane where the fire broke out.

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Varun Gupta
Varun Gupta

Typical 18-century Britishers.

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calvin nguyen
calvin nguyen

maker Chitqua The little clay figure of Thomas Todd by the Chinese model maker Chitqua is an intimate portrait of a successful merchant – one of the many who helped create London into a thriving mercantile centre in the 18th century.

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Alex McD
Alex McD

I wonder if there was a market in counterfeit fire marks

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Rofu Miah
Rofu Miah

Thanks for the history lessons I worked 4 years next to monument didn't know fully what happened

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PJ
PJ

All that stuff about the insurance company fire brigades could be said about the US healthcare system today

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DougtheDonkeyTV
DougtheDonkeyTV

Capitalism moment

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Shiroichi Ryosuke
Shiroichi Ryosuke

In my district we had "Persatuan Relawan Pemadam Kebakaran" in short "predam". Which means "volunteer firefighting union" and they had at least 78 unit of firefighter that was scattered across the district. They doesn't demand any payment but they do take donation. And the craziest part is, when there are fire in some neighborhood, all the 78 came rushing to take down the fire. *And yes we also had the regular official firefighter.

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Cubed
Cubed

The Monument is actually located 202 ft West of the location where the Great Fire started. 202ft is also the height of the Monument so if the monument was laid horizontal East it would mark the exact spot of the bakery in Pudding Lane.

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ana
ana

Guy: *WHY ARE YOU JUST STANDING THERE SAVE MY HOUSE!!!!!!* Firefightes: Sorry mate, no insurance.

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Américo Lucas Zaguini Nunes
Américo Lucas Zaguini Nunes

Naively assuming government funded firefighting service is "free" and more ethical... In other words, it is wrong if everyone has (actually having the choice) to pay for a privately owned insurance company (of their choice) to cover for firefighting. But it is right when everyone is forced to pay (hello taxes) for a single provider to cover for the same service.

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Mr. Hat
Mr. Hat

Naïvely assuming that you would even have a choice in a time before anti-trust laws, and when people where to poor to even get insurance.

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Tyler Simmons
Tyler Simmons

Sitting here wondering why so many Americans think socialized health care would be evil but socialized fire departments are good...

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The Supreme Xtream
The Supreme Xtream

The American Health Care System in a Nutshell

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vulduv
vulduv

"we dident try to put out the fire in your house. as our service mark had fallen of your house due to the ongoing fire."

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The Sage
The Sage

to show everyone who is boss.

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Mollofi Straye
Mollofi Straye

me: *Fahrenheit 451 intensifies*

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Aiden G
Aiden G

This is how medical works in 2021 USA

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《PlayMyTromboner》
《PlayMyTromboner》

Imagine your under rubble and firefighters show up and see you but just leave because there was no insurance mark

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TheBestLettuce
TheBestLettuce

Free fire protection? Sounds like socialism

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The Mozart Thug
The Mozart Thug

Makes sense.....I'm always saying how buildings are worth more than human life

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LOGICZOMBIE
LOGICZOMBIE

ANCAP HEAVEN.

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Darth Makroth
Darth Makroth

America: laughs in private everything

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Roland Katsuragi
Roland Katsuragi

Ah, good old insurance schemes

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Punica Granatum
Punica Granatum

Hi mr. Scott! You seem like the mate I'd want to meet and walk around somewhere. Because you rush from point A to point B; spilling everything there's to say about the place and getting there efficently! I walk like that way too! PM me if you want to discover a new place! Thanks for existing 😙

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Shaun House
Shaun House

I believe the Monument actually stands the height of the Monument away from where the fire was believed to have started. I think the idea is if you lay it down in the right direction the crucible at the top would be where the fire started.

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ugrasergun
ugrasergun

I am more surprised this is not a thing in USA.

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Tony, the Hawk
Tony, the Hawk

finally, something I knew before Tom told me

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FalBΨFGRSΩ
FalBΨFGRSΩ

360° camera? neat

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Hawks
Hawks

Considering their healthcare system, I’m surprised America hasn’t adopted private fire services.

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james mitchell
james mitchell

Wait this guy is famous has millions of views been watching for years had never looked

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Sam Gatti
Sam Gatti

Tom Scott VIII is gonna make a video like this about America’s healthcare system

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Jeremy Miller
Jeremy Miller

id accidentally end up stalking him tryna get these facts

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Mason Ranalla
Mason Ranalla

Literally while I watched this video my apartment buildings fire system tripped and we were evacuated

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Herbert Landschmid
Herbert Landschmid

In Germany many Companies still have their own "Werksfeuerwehr" (factory fire brigade). Some of them are so well equipped and financed that the local governments dont even bother sendig their own firefighters to bigger/more complicated fires and instead just hire the private ones and pay the bill afterwards because its cheaper than equipping the official fire station with all the special stuff and train the firemen for it.

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Alien On Crack
Alien On Crack

The great fire of london was an inside job

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